Honesty hour. Brody Jenner got candid about his relationship with his father, Caitlyn Jenner, on the Monday, July 1, episode of The Hills: New Beginnings.

“I didn’t really grow up with my dad,” the 35-year-old told Brandon Lee — the son of Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson — along with Shaquille O’Neal’s son Myles and Chase McQueen — grandson of the late Steve McQueen — and Frankie Delgado during dinner. “When I was really little, we got to spend a little time. When he started, obviously, the family with the Kardashian family, I didn’t really see much of him.”

The then-Bruce Jenner and Brody’s mom, Linda Thompson, split in 1986 when Brody was just three years old. Then, Caitlyn married Kris Jenner in 1991 and blended their families together.

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The DJ specifically remembered moments when his father wasn’t present in his life. “Bruce was just never really around — every so often maybe once every couple years. Wasn’t around for my graduation, wasn’t around for most of my birthdays, so, yeah, it really wasn’t any relationship. It was very surface,” he confessed.

The silver lining is that over time, Brody got to know his dad better. “Eventually, we started to become closer, but then all of a sudden, it’s like, I was just getting to know Bruce and then Bruce became Caitlyn,” he said.

In 2015, Bruce transitioned into Caitlyn, and while it seems like their relationship has improved, it’s still not totally fixed. “She’s totally different. It’s awesome, it’s great. She’s happy, she’s running around. She’s off living her life, so what I’ve learned is just not to expect too much from her.”

The Laguna Beach alum revealed how Caitlyn is different now. “It’s her true self, but Bruce was always holding a lot back and being somebody totally different,” he said.

Brandon, 23, related to what Brody was saying since both of his parents were in the spotlight when he was growing up. “You’ve gotta move past the expectations, like, if you always hold yourself to the expectations that you’re gonna be your parents, you’ll crash and burn,” he said. “I crashed and burned. It’s like, ‘Am I gonna keep going out every night? Am I gonna keep waking up every morning and just f—king drinking all day?’”

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The actor revealed that since he was constantly partying and going out, “it got real bad, real quick,” he said. Now, it seems like Brandon is aware of his old habits. “There’s a fine line with drugs and alcohol. You can enjoy it, or it’s gonna kill you. If you can drink, good for you. Have fun, get f—ked up. I can’t. I’ll be up for seven days.”

The Hills: New Beginnings airs on MTV Mondays at 10 p.m. ET.