When Howard Stern is the voice of reason, you know you’re in trouble. Quentin Tarantino sat down with the shock jock in 2003, and audio from their interview regarding controversial director Roman Polanski has surfaced. In the eight-minute clip, Quentin, who recently spoke out against Harvey Weinstein, can be heard defending Roman’s rape of a 13-year-old girl — and TBH, it’s disturbing.

“He didn’t rape a 13-year-old. It was statutory rape… he had sex with a minor. That’s not rape. To me, when you use the word rape, you’re talking about violent, throwing them down — it’s like one of the most violent crimes in the world,” he said when asked by Howard why Hollywood continued to support Roman. “You can’t throw the word rape around. It’s like throwing the word ‘racist’ around. It doesn’t apply to everything people use it for.”

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Samantha Geimer in 2017.

When he was reminded of the girl’s young age, Quentin, 54, stood his ground, adding, “No, that was not the case AT ALL. She wanted to have it and dated the guy… And by the way, we’re talking about America’s morals, not talking about the morals in Europe and everything.” Howard again shifted the blame away from the victim, telling Quentin, “Wait a minute. If you have sex with a 13-year-old girl and you’re a grown man, you know that that’s wrong,” but the Kill Bill creator was still not swayed. “Look, she was down with this,” he said, ending the conversation.

In 1977, Roman — who has directed Oscar-winning films such as The Pianist and Chinatown — was arrested and charged with rape, perversion, and providing a controlled substance to a minor due to his assault of then-teen Samantha Geimer. Roman, who was 43 at the time, eventually accepted a plea deal, but when it was revealed he would likely serve jail time he fled to France and has been avoiding extradition in Europe ever since.

Quentin recently made history when he confessed to knowing about Harvey Weinstein’s history as a predator and remaining silent. “I knew enough to do more than I did,” he told The New York Times. “There was more to it than just the normal rumors, the normal gossip. It wasn’t secondhand. I knew he did a couple of these things. If I had done the work I should have done then, I would have had to not work with him.”

Sigh.

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